Episode 35

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Published on:

23rd Jul 2025

The Struggle Between Spirituality and Materialism in Our Daily Lives

5th shiur - R' Moshe Leventer Likutei Moharan Torah 61.

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Speaker A:

So it's a story.

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I think it's in Chaim Iran.

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It says that by Shuas the Rebbe was saying over tiram and then he would stop and they would bring out more food and then he would eat something and then he would say some more Torah and then, and then, and then he'd bring more food.

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And it was like this.

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The Rebbe was like he was eating Yamt of Surah.

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Yeah.

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And so it was like this, it was like this struggle.

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What's the most, what's the tachis?

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What are you going to finish with?

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You going to finish with the eating or with the Torah?

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And the Rebbe wanted to finish with eating, but they haven't asked me to say Torah.

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Yeah, sure.

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So the Chetzi of the Chem, the Chetzi, the Shem, it's not so clear what's.

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What that was.

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That's what I was thinking this, this year that like you get into the avodah of Shvu, the tikuna shuis and the Mikvah and the DAV and everything.

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I think that's the, that's why I'm talking about this, I'm sure.

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Yeah, right.

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Does that make sense?

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It makes sense.

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I'm sure that this Anaga has been talked about in the Svaramik Tashua.

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But look, that's what the Rebbe is speaking about over here in Torah.

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Salmon khalif.

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What we're trying to do, there's two mistakes people can make.

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Two mistakes people make.

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Garden ishem.

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Why does really have sugar free cheesecake?

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You see?

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You know what I'm saying?

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You watch, you go to a, you go to a American Shiva.

Speaker A:

Well, I'll tell you that it's because the people are people are people are people are united.

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People are people.

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They, they, they're turning off the, the path right and left.

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Right.

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The path, the sigma path is Rambam.

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Be balanced in all your midas.

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Yeah.

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People turning off the path.

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Right, Left.

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Yeah.

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What's the, what's, what's the right side?

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Right side is, you know, gosh, it's okay.

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Everything's fine.

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Just, you know, press and you know, have a good time.

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Just like we were talking about earlier.

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Like a person.

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Okay, so, so you have a certain, certain type a person has a certain, certain addiction or something like that.

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Okay, so, so that's, so, so you have to recognize that's where I'm holding.

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That's, that's, that's what, that's where, where I'm at right now.

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Hashem was with me in that place.

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But at the same time, I don't.

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I don't.

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I don't mashaba myself to it.

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I don't say like this is.

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This is my.

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My end goal.

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There's no way I'm going to get out of it.

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There's no way I'm going to be able to escape this situation.

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I can't try to be.

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To have ribi or.

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And say, okay, I'm just going to be.

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I'm going to be a big tzadik tomorrow.

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Today, right now, I'm going to change everything.

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I need to find Hashem where I am right now.

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I know that, that he's close to me, but at the same time, I'm yearning and I'm trying to work on reaching the place where I can break free from that, from.

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From that, from that.

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Shiva.

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You have to believe in the tzadikim, that the tzaddiqim can help you.

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If you have a muna tzadikim, they're giving you the 80s to get out of there.

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The first eight is don't do too.

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Don't do any either.

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The extremes, I mean, don't say, okay, I give up everything, forget about it.

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There's no hope for me.

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I'm going to completely just like maybe mafia myself to.

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To this thing beside Shani also.

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That's, that's.

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That's a mistake on the right side of being too make or just everything's okay.

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It's all, you know, the left side.

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The mistake people make on the left side is that I have to be so mah myself.

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I have to change.

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The only way I can be close to Hashem is if I do X, Y and Z, I completely conquer this.

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This issue.

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So then also you're gonna, you're gonna.

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You're very far from Hashem because that's not where Hashem is in your life, is where you are in that situation.

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Night they pull on the head.

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Right?

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So, so it has to be, you know, in.

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Of eating.

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So people.

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They feel like the only way to be.

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To be.

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To be kados, to be holy, is they have to fast.

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They fast, they break the tie, but just completely, you know.

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And then the other side, people, okay, whatever, just eat, you know, eat whatever.

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You don't have to.

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You don't have to think about Hashem.

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You don't have not an avida.

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It's just, you know, just so, so, so, so the says no.

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The BAAL Shem Tov, at first, he.

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He was very into fasting.

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Even.

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Even the rebels.

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So he very into fast for them.

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No, he realized that.

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That what?

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Yeah, but then he realized, no, the wicked way is to serve hashem is.

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Is eating.

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Eating with Gadusha, eating with.

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Or eating with a closeness to Hashem.

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I think about the shalom I'm trying to save Rachel with.

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With some Kavanaugh and.

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And like that.

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What?

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Yeah, there is.

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There is a time to do a fast now again, going.

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Going back to the Rambam.

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There's a time when a person, in order to fix, like let's say a person is very.

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Just falling really, really far.

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The time of the kid is like very, very stuck in.

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In.

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In.

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In an addiction to some food or something.

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So then the very first thing it could be.

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Sometimes you have to be careful.

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If you're saying, you see Ravnasan says right there, you have to David a lot and also get a joh from Tzadikim, you know, to do this in the right way.

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But is there a time when you present Yisra fast just to break, you know, a tavim?

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Now, like, there's the inning of Ta Ne Sh also doesn't have to be 24 hours.

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Doesn't have to be a whole day.

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It could be, you know, okay, I'm going to go a few hours without doing this thing, you know.

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You know, it was even five minutes.

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Five minutes of Tainus ATSVAs, five minutes of not being depressed.

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Let's try that, you know?

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Yeah, you have to make a tinus.

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Sometimes you have to make a tinus.

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Like Ramadam says, you fall really far to one side.

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Sometimes you need to counter it.

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But your goal is to get to the middle.

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You understand?

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What I'm doing is trying to balance myself out.

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I'm not okay now I have to be punished myself completely.

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I have to.

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People like about.

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He thinks, oh, I did so many versions of my life.

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So I have to go back and I have to fix everything.

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I have to do sigufim.

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I have to flick myself and do all this, intensify this.

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And.

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But that's not going to help you get close to Hashem.

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That's just going to make dinim.

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It's going to cause you to get depressed and fall away.

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So it's okay.

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Sometimes there's a time to do this.

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Now, you know, we have.

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If we Mamish receive the Torah properly, we're not going to have to fast.

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It's going to be Yomtavishmayim.

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If not.

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So we have a fast.

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We have fast days and you know, so these days are opportunities for all of Klav Israel to, you know, to try to balance out our.

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I'm saying a fast day.

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So the Hashem gives us these days, gives us these times when we.

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When we have it set in the calendar.

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Okay.

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This is an opportunity for me to work on not being so Magushim.

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Okay?

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I don't want to be so stuck in this, in the physical.

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So, yes, that's what I'm saying.

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So it's talking about that there's an Indian of.

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Of sometimes doing a tinnitus, the person takes on his own tainus because he just feels like he needs it.

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Okay?

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There's such a thing.

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You have to be careful with that.

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You have to get a drach with that.

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Do beam, a spiral.

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Say, look at the two.

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Let's make sure it's the right avoda for you.

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And again with right Kavanaugh, that you want to get to the middle.

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You're not trying to be extreme.

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I just realized, okay, I just need to balance things out.

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And the main thing is, Tanisha, you know, chana tea before davening.

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Every day, you wake up and you go to bekvi.

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You daven, you eat something.

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After daven, you did a ton of shouts.

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You already broke yourself a little bit from that thing.

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Learn a little bit of Torah afterwards.

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You know.

Speaker B:

I'm asking a simple question, but why are we in such a Magushim world?

Speaker A:

So this is what we.

Speaker A:

This is what we just had Kabbalah Zatara for, right?

Speaker A:

We talked about this a little bit last time.

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I don't know.

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Maybe you had to step out a little bit at some point.

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We talked about this, right?

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This is.

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This is the.

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This is the gemara in Shabbos, when Chavez starts, like, paid VOV Zayn Ches about the Balkabel Zahra.

Speaker A:

Wait, why did Hashem give the Torah to the Eden when he knew that we were going to mess it up?

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Yeah, that's what the Malachim said.

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The malachim said to Hashem.

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It's like, you can't give the Torah to people.

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It's aroda.

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Gusham is so physical.

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They're gonna.

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They're gonna.

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They're gonna mess up your.

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Give it to us.

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We'll do it perfectly.

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We're not gonna mess anything up.

Speaker B:

Wow, they're right.

Speaker A:

Oh, they're so right.

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This is Mrs. Mamish.

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The right.

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He's not right.

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So Hashem says, moishe beno, what are you down?

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Right?

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Meaning that Hashem, he said, I'm not going to answer Malachim.

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He told Moishe Benu to answer.

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Because the chuvah, the answer for the Taina, right, has to come from the person himself.

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We have to answer these.

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We have to answer this Malachim.

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The tziddiqim answer this question for us.

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We have to stand up to these thoughts and say, like, I'm worthless.

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There's malachim, there's Malachim, there's great tzadikim, right?

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Tziddikim are like Malachim.

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They're called Malachi Elokim.

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They're like great, very high levels.

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So what's Kabbal Zetar?

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Kbalz?

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Hatar is for them, right?

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Hashem gives the Torah to them.

Speaker A:

Oh, you're missing the point.

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Hashem gives the Torah to Moshe Beinu just in order to give it to us.

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And every single door.

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Hashem gives the Torah to the tzedikim of that door in order to give it over to us.

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Because the tachlis is takhla Sabriya is to reveal Hashem's presence down in the lowest places of darkness.

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Tumah.

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Yeah, right.

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This is what Moshe Beinu answered the Balak.

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He said, you don't have a Yitzar.

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You don't need the Torah.

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It's not.

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You don't have no becher.

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There's no reason for you to have the Torah.

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Bechlau.

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It's not.

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You're not.

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You're not.

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You're not doing anything with Hashem's Torah.

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The whole purpose of the Torah is that your person, Hashem says, this is a mitzvah, this is a vera.

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Do what I tell you, right?

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So for Amalek, who's completely perfect in his abido.

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So again, this is exactly the inyan of Amunas Chachamim, following the Tzedikim.

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But Allah don't turn to left or right of what they're teaching you in this Indian.

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Yes, we have to be in this physical world.

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But Kadash Hatzmachot do it.

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You know, try to.

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Try to find some kedusha in your.

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You're eating, you're sleeping, you're working, whatever you're doing.

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Yeah, it's big stuff.

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Dar's ratsum.

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So that's what Rebbe says.

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Over here, we read this section, right?

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A couple times.

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The beginning, this idea that there's really two.

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There's the two punishments over here, it's kind of shtakam, you know, Musa over here, that was talking about a person who doesn't have Muna siddiqim.

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Because the whole Torah is.

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When we talk about this, you don't.

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You don't believe Moshe men.

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You never.

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The Torah.

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You don't believe in the tziddiqim of this door, you know, not the Torah.

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Just to balance a lot of desire.

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Himself.

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Yeah, but he was.

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He was a men.

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She was.

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He was a physical human being we think of Moshe Bean was like.

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It's like supernatural.

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Like.

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No, he was in physical prison.

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He had a wife, he had children.

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You know, he ate, he drank, he slept.

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He was.

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Yes, but he followed this d Of the Torah, this d. Middle ground of being in this world, but also being highly.

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And he was zoicha.

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Right.

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So we have Torah from him.

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If we don't.

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So then there's two.

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There's two things that happen.

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One is mysaras.

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The other thing is at Tziros.

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Both things that have to do with our digestion.

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And.

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But it's.

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But at the mys.

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It's two slightly different things that relate to these two different mistakes that we're talking about.

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Right?

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The extras.

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Extra stuff.

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Say yes.

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What do you mean?

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Breaking Thai visits my saraswat.

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Just learn tayo.

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Just, you know, just.

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Just choose moon and dab and do mitzvahs.

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Yeah.

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Breaking taiwas.

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You know, trying to be holy in.

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In a physical world.

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Ah, that's anxious by Cyrus as actress.

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And.

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And the Torah said tzadikim is so extra.

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Doesn't.

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You know, it was just.

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You know, what do you bother me with.

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With all these extra things?

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I need to think about promius.

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I need.

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I need to have a deep connection with the banishalam to.

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Spoke to Hashem.

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Okay.

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It's my.

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It's actually.

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People really think that.

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Okay.

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It's a nice thing that.

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Talking to Hashem.

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Some people, they're mamish.

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M. They think it's whatever.

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Whatever they think.

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But most people, they.

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Okay, talking to Hashem, fine.

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Rabbi says, talking to Hashem in your own words.

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But.

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Oh, wow, we need a bracha for like.

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We need a bracha for like two years.

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Means it's one year for like two, three years, five years.

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Did it get wound renewed or is it going on the whole time?

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It's.

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It's the main thing.

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Listen, your name again.

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Write me your name one more time.

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The main thing is.

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The main thing is you have to be that since the abisha put you in such a.

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It's put us in such a low place.

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So then first of all, like this Torah, like this midrash in Mesakashabas, we see that Hashem is not expecting us to be perfect.

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He knows we're going to fall.

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That's the story of the Titan story that you're going to.

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I know that you're going to follow.

Speaker A:

But you have to be happy in the Yurida.

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You have to have the reader.

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How do you be happy in the reader?

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And the tarik tells you that every little movement that you make is making incredible tikkunim.

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Every little thing.

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Every year of chuvah, every time you think, I really want to, I want to reach the higher level of kedusha, I want that.

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I know this is where I am right now.

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And Hashem, admit me, every thought you have.

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I know, not a bad way.

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I feel like it's been speaking so badly for good that, like, I don't understand.

Speaker A:

Okay, so you have to.

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That's the tickling for all this, says, you know, every.

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The lowest place you think you ever fell to right down there.

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The abyss is so close to you.

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And every single movement that you make, to talk to him, to connect with him, to do something, to say it, feel a little bit of tehillim, a few words of a mishnah, something that's the biggest.

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That's why the Abisha gave the Torah.

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Once I'm finished.

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This idea that we talked about this before in Ishabura, that, that one of the great revelations of really brings it out, that the further you fall, the more important you are.

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The further you fall, the more Nach Hasru can give to theevistir, you understand, the lower you are, the bigger.

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So just based on what we're saying, this is Kabbalah Zahra.

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This is what we're supposed to be mounting.

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This is how we fix the.

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This is the tikkun for the 40 days after asinai is that you're going to have Yurida, and it's most likely going to happen right away.

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It's most likely you're going to feel really physically shvakh, spiritually broken.

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Whatever it's going to be, it's going to happen, like, immediately after the shvuz.

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And then you're going to forget everything that happened.

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One second, one second.

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And you're going to forget everything that happened.

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You're going to think, oh, it was like it was just a dream.

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Nothing really meant anything.

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Yeah, very nice.

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Just an illusion.

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And ikir tikkun is to remember that, no, this is why Hashem gave the Torah, that not only that, it should be that his presence should be revealed in the lowest places.

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But that which is olam haze.

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But that when I fall to a lower place, then this is even a greater.

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Even a greater tikkun than when I was.

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When I was right.

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It's.

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This is what.

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This is what the Rebbe.

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This is how Rebbe is saving us.

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He doesn't have a savings.

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The farther you fall, the greater nachos you give to Hashem.

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So then.

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So then there's no Yosh, there's Mamish.

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There's no.

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Someone fell.

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And.

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Yeah, I'm saying what it's like is like a situation that it's like.

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But a person went through something in his life that is very rough.

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And he's like, well, if I would have stuck it strong in terms of like the talking part and I would have done this differently.

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It would have been the right thing.

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I wouldn't have suffered that thing.

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So like, there's no.

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There's no.

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In the past.

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There's no this.

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All the swarms say in the past is no is right now.

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The past is all.

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It was all 100 meant to be Hashem.

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Exactly what Hashem wanted to do.

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We can't understand this.

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We have to be kabbalist with the moon.

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Why is.

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Because he has such.

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Understand.

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You can't think about.

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You can't think about the past.

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Or it could have been different.

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I could have done no right now I can do something to give.

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That's all I'm thinking about right now.

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But then.

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And I.

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Person gives up.

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A person gives up in the Areida.

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So then he'll keep going down and then there won't.

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It won't be a right.

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That's the point is right now.

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Right now.

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What can I do for Israel?

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Okay, we got a little other side.

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It's okay.

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It's good.

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Is getting.

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Getting to the kiskas of being a Yid.

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What does it mean to have.

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So it means avoiding these two things.

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Right.

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My sorrows means again, that's the mistake.

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Going to the right.

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It's extra.

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I don't really need the.

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I don't need the.

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The Tzadik.

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It's not necessary for me in the bar to.

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To try to work on my Midas and.

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And.

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And.

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And finding Hashem doing his better.

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This.

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The left side is.

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It's serious.

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It's.

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It's.

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It's.

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It's stopped up A person.

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He's.

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He's.

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He's very Mahra himself.

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He thinks he has to do a very bigger Vedic and fast.

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So then he gets.

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Then he gets stuck.

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Because the only way to get close to Hashem is to find.

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Is to find where you are in your situation.

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You try to try to.

Speaker A:

You know, you're trying to jump up to the moon and say, okay, I'm gonna go to the moon, then I'll find Hashem.

Speaker A:

So then you're never gonna go anywhere.

Speaker A:

You're just gonna try to fly to the moon, and the rocket ship's gonna go up and up and up.

Speaker A:

And then you don't have enough steam to get to the moon because it's very far away.

Speaker A:

And then what happens?

Speaker A:

The rocket ship doesn't make it out of the atmosphere.

Speaker A:

What happens?

Speaker C:

You make it into the moon.

Speaker A:

So the octave doesn't make it to the moon, so then it falls back down.

Speaker A:

Okay?

Speaker A:

So the Rebbe says.

Speaker A:

The Rebbe says, in Sith base, we started last time we started Sith base.

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It says that we have to be very careful not to be Masmikh, not to give and to a.

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To the manhigim.

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To manhigim, that their limit is from these Masaras.

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What does this mean?

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We spoke about this briefly.

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What it doesn't mean is to go around slandering people.

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Okay?

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It doesn't mean go around, say this person is no good.

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He's no God.

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He's that.

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He's this.

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He's.

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That's.

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That's.

Speaker A:

That.

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That's not what it means.

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Okay?

Speaker C:

Not that.

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Go against.

Speaker A:

All right, but what does it mean?

Speaker A:

What does it.

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What does the river mean?

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What does it mean?

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So it means that you.

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Where the Rebbe says, means that in your heart, in your mind, you don't.

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You're not.

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You're not mah to this person.

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You see a person, right?

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So again, what is.

Speaker A:

What is the definition of mysaris?

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The is somebody who.

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He could be a very big tab.

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He could know a lot.

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But his Torah is not bringing Eitz namaison.

Speaker A:

It's not bringing down a person, helping him to find a clear path.

Speaker A:

Is there Chemamotz, this clear path to get to Hashem?

Speaker A:

It's not.

Speaker A:

It's not.

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He's saying very nice pulpu.

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He has nice drashas.

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He has nice vartalach and the parasha.

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Very nice, very good.

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But Lamaya said, it's my service.

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It's all kind of extra.

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It's not.

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And not teaching a person how to be.

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How to.

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How to live with Hashem in every aspect of his life.

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Okay, That's.

Speaker A:

That's we're talking about.

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So there's so there's a lot of rabbanim they have that they lima this from this messiah, and they have a lot of.

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They're in positions of power.

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And so again, our job is not to go around slandering people, but in our hearts we recognize, okay, this is not the person.

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I don't want to massage him to make him my Rebbe.

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I don't want him to be the person who I'm going to create.

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This is not the person who is going to.

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Who I'm looking.

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I'm a vat myself.

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To rebbe means you're a person.

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You're a vat yourself to that you have a kabbal him as your example for how you want to live your life and how you want to go.

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Because why?

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Because the rebbe says over here that they themselves don't have clear aid.

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So they themselves don't have clarity.

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Because they didn't learn clarity.

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They didn't themselves to the tzadikim, the great tzadikim in the way that they were.

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Kabul smich we're going to see pretty soon siddiq that are musma.

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They have real from.

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From the medim, from the reba for different.

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They have real.

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So then they have their clarity.

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They have incredible that help that can help anybody get close.

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It's a very simple sim.

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It's not easy to follow because it takes.

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It takes.

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It takes work.

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And we're going to see that's a problem person.

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Bet the rabnasa talks about this in a number of places, that it's very difficult.

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Even Gemara talks about it that the person b'.

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Ezim, we want a patur.

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We want an excuse.

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We want an excuse just to do whatever our Yitzhahar wants.

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We don't realize that, well, everything is going on, but it's hard to serve hashem.

Speaker A:

It's hard to actually look for the Emmas.

Speaker A:

It's hard to actually try to learn a safer and figure out what's the ezer for me and how can I.

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How can I get closer to Hashem, to this through this static?

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It's a lot of work.

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It's not so easy.

Speaker A:

We want a patur.

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So what happens is we're Masmikh people that give us this patur that they say, you, you know, it's okay.

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Just learn tyrannos.

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You know, just do your best to.

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To learn in daven and.

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And, you know, you could say nice word on the parasha.

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Very good.

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So.

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But actually, like going in and getting close to the.

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In all aspects of my life.

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That's my sorrows.

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That's extra.

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So.

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So.

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So we have.

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We have a Yitzhah to be Masvid doing lots of them in our hearts.

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Again, it's not about going around.

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You know, he said on this.

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He said on this.

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On this nakuda.

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He says it's not about.

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What I'm saying is from living.

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It's not about going around Apostle in this person efforts.

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That's not their.

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It's about your own individual voida, you know, with your friends.

Speaker A:

You're not talking about.

Speaker A:

You know.

Speaker A:

You know, you're talking about.

Speaker A:

You're trying to connect to the Tzim who have this and about Hashem.

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That helps us stay close to Hashem.

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So doesn't have.

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How do you know it doesn't have.

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It's.

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It's.

Speaker C:

You see how he talks about.

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Rabin says that how do you have a mic only if you have.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker C:

I see that this doesn't have.

Speaker A:

If somebody was talking bad about the great Siddiqim, then for sure his learning that's presenting his learning is going to be my service for sure.

Speaker A:

But a lot of most nowadays that's not so common.

Speaker A:

People especially going out specifically not.

Speaker C:

But he would be like when he's talking about like.

Speaker C:

You see that he's not really.

Speaker A:

Okay.

Speaker C:

I mean, how would you.

Speaker C:

How would you.

Speaker C:

How is this.

Speaker A:

So what's.

Speaker A:

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker A:

The Rebbe says very clearly here, who's able to give you clear atheism.

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That really works.

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That's it.

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You know, you know that.

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That's, that's.

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That's.

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That's coming.

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That's a Tariq.

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That's nismach, that he has a smich from.

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From the Torah.

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Right.

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His Torah is not.

Speaker C:

Automatically.

Speaker A:

That's a sign.

Speaker A:

His aid is helping you to eat with more kedusha, to diving with more kavana, to.

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To be.

Speaker A:

To be more connected to Lima de Torah throughout your life.

Speaker A:

Find Hashem in Yurida the Mechazik yourself when you're struggling.

Speaker A:

All aspects.

Speaker A:

I'm talking about not just the high things, not just the Aveda.

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Also the, you know, the personal things, emotional things, the psychological things.

Speaker A:

There's a lot, a lot of issues.

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Okay.

Speaker A:

So I don't know.

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You have to.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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The general psak is that it's.

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No, it's not.

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They made.

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It's only with the Rabbanim.

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But the gezer was that the chicken has the same status as me no.

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If you're waiting three hours for.

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For chicken which you have to eat also doesn't make a difference.

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Okay.

Speaker A:

So.

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So the Rebbe says over here that.

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That these.

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That these.

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They have.

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They have a.

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They have a.

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They're.

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It's for cover.

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So they won't go.

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You can't blame them.

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It's our problem that we're mas.

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We make them.

Speaker A:

We make them.

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I know.

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It's a funny.

Speaker B:

It's a funny thing they say.

Speaker B:

I'm not it just go.

Speaker A:

The Nikuda is that he wouldn't be anything if other people didn't give him cover and power.

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But Rachel is taking the blame.

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We always blame other people for everything.

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We.

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Basically the problem is Yanim.

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It's always him.

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It's always him.

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He's doing the problem.

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Everybody's making the problem.

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Rebbe is saying, no, you're making the problem.

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You're making your own problem.

Speaker C:

I think that's really the rabbit because.

Speaker A:

Exactly.

Speaker A:

Exactly as he's saying.

Speaker C:

Don't blame him, blame yourself.

Speaker C:

In reality, it's also.

Speaker A:

No, no, but the main.

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It's the Ikir is.

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He's saying obviously.

Speaker A:

Okay, obviously a person has his beh to not.

Speaker A:

Let's do the.

Speaker A:

He's saying the main problem is not the money.

Speaker A:

Main problem is the people who are mastered.

Speaker C:

As you say that it was a verb that he was that.

Speaker C:

That Masha told him that because that he was caused someone to die.

Speaker C:

Like it was something very small.

Speaker C:

But in his another cause someone to die.

Speaker C:

So now he has to be a wag in your eyes.

Speaker C:

Yeah, but it's different saying like Masha.

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There's like another story of the of like a different Rav called you can't be a Rob anymore.

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It's like.

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But the.

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But.

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But the.

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The source of the problem is.

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Is not from the top.

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The source.

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The main source of promise from below.

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That's Reb is very clearly emphasizing over here that.

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That.

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That.

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That we have to take responsibility for this.

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So.

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And he even says is a historic.

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A simple person is like doesn't know anything.

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He goes to it.

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She's a Rob in the community.

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And the rob in the community is talk about his whatever.

Speaker C:

Oh sounds.

Speaker A:

No, no, no.

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That's the thing.

Speaker A:

Every year every Yid.

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Every Yid has.

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Every Yid has.

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Every Yid has Seicho.

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The Rebbe is telling us if even searching for the Emmas.

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So then you're not going to make this mistake if you're not searching for the Ems.

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So then it's a big problem not just for you.

Speaker A:

It's a big problem for all closer each individual who's not searching for the Emmas.

Speaker A:

So the Rebbe says yeah that is.

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He's not a wicked person.

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Doesn't say that he's Russia again again.

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You see already from there you're not supposed to possibly you're not supposed to go around the person is not that bad.

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It's okay.

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He wants covered.

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He wants to be.

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He wants to be whatever he wants to have a lot of time with him.

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So.

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But you must make him in your and you're.

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And you're.

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You're.

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You're going to him and giving him giving him power know it's weakening our Kasavi they know are the Mashtish the writing of Lush and doesn't have any power giving power to the writing of other languages.

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We'll talk about what this means that's causing there's not any power to our writing only for their for what they write.

Speaker A:

You have to learn their writing their languages also.

Speaker A:

That causes to get exiled from the places where the Eden have been dwelling where we already lives for a while.

Speaker A:

The places that Eden were never there.

Speaker A:

That you're giving person two hands is the aspect of the Ksav of the writing with the hands is full of the spirit of wisdom of Moshe Beinu Kisamach Moishe of Yadav Avlav.

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He put his hands on him.

Speaker A:

That's an aspect of writing because the hand is writing.

Speaker A:

That is also the wisdom.

Speaker A:

This is how Hashem created the whole world with the letters.

Speaker A:

So the world was created with the word of Hashem, which is the Osis.

Speaker A:

It was all through the chachma.

Speaker A:

So what's the connection between the Ksav and the Chochmah?

Speaker A:

The rabbi explains every single letter has the chachma of Hashem that it should have a certain shape.

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And that was what determines what Everything that's going to be in this world is made up of these letters.

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So everything in this physical world is ratzon Hashem.

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It's all that's how this world is created.

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Everything acts the way according to these oysters.

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This chachma of Hashem Kenshire lamas with Munavan Hagach Eris.

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Other worlds have different aspects, the shapes of different letters.

Speaker A:

This is what Hashem's chochman decreed.

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So when you are a good chochem has the smicha he got the smichah from.

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So again you see over here the difference that he's not.

Speaker A:

We're not Mas mechem a real Tariq.

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He's not makaba spika from us.

Speaker A:

He's from the Tariq that came before him.

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Yeah.

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Nobody has to be.

Speaker A:

He has to be something you have to become.

Speaker A:

We don't have mama smicha, but it's Indian.

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Like we see of Maisha and Yeshua that he's macabre, this ruachochma from the great tzadik that came before him.

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That's the prototypical example of smichas from Moshe to Yeshua.

Speaker A:

And that continues from all generations like we see from.

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So this smicha the Rebbe is hinting to over here.

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He's going to talk about this later of the great tzadik.

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He's talking about satiki muflog.

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He was talking about great, awesome tzadikim.

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It's.

Speaker A:

It's, you know, again, this is one of the themes in the Torah, Tov and Torah especially.

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That's.

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So there's the different.

Speaker A:

One of the themes of the Torah and Torahs is the difference between tzadikim and tzadikim.

Speaker A:

There's great tzadikim, right?

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And then there's.

Speaker A:

There's awesome, awesome tiliki.

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And this is one of the most important things, is for us to distinguish between.

Speaker A:

Distinguish between these two different types of silicon.

Speaker A:

We can have a khabra.

Speaker A:

You can talk, but not about the cheese.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

Okay.

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So what's the difference.

Speaker A:

Difference between the tzadik explains it in Torah base.

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Actually, at the end of it there that there are tzadiki, but then there's tsigbu slogan that reached unbelievable levels.

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And.

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And it's an aspect of the hamtakis ad din that comes from the specific Sikhlim.

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And hamtaq is adin.

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It comes from the Sikh lim ze seichela kalo.

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It's.

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Rebbe says that we're in sivvav.

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It's related to what we're learning right now.

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So we're going to bring it in again.

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Now.

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The Rebbe's Torah is always tied together.

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You have to always understand the end, the beginning from the end, and vice versa.

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So what the Rebbe says in Sevav is that there's the.

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The ham talk.

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Is that.

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Then it's true.

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Means the person has.

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Has.

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He's worried about.

Speaker A:

Pronouncing, worry about how I'm gonna live.

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I'm gonna do it.

Speaker A:

He forgot that, you know, how did he live the last 30 years of his life?

Speaker A:

The last six years of life.

Speaker A:

It still helps, right?

Speaker A:

Somehow he Managed to get this far.

Speaker A:

Okay, so he'll be able to.

Speaker A:

Right that same.

Speaker A:

Okay, what is that?

Speaker A:

You had a din.

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You had sphakis.

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Ichir.

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Din is you don't know what to do.

Speaker A:

You know, you're worried about pronazi, how am I going to pay for this and that?

Speaker A:

And then you try to figure out these things.

Speaker A:

You have sficus and the bibulim.

Speaker A:

You're in a place of dinim, all of a sudden says, what do you mean?

Speaker A:

She's going to help you daven.

Speaker A:

You know, okay, do some with yeshiva das without.

Speaker A:

And it took you out of your din.

Speaker A:

All the Sikh name need to be recalibrated.

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All these sikhlim that fix specific points in our life.

Speaker A:

There's problems with parnassus, problems with all these things.

Speaker A:

All these things have to be the Kabul from the.

Speaker A:

They have to receive from the sheikh, which is.

Speaker A:

It's the chochma idah.

Speaker A:

It's the shersh of kedusha.

Speaker A:

It's called Abbott shesiya.

Speaker A:

What?

Speaker A:

Yeah, it's related to the pity of the kohod is Mamtuk.

Speaker A:

All the 20 over there.

Speaker A:

Sure.

Speaker A:

So this is when we're looking, when this is the kazatze kolo.

Speaker A:

Every single seichel bet'tzim is makaba from that seichal kolo.

Speaker A:

It doesn't.

Speaker A:

The specific eitzes that tzrikim can give us.

Speaker A:

Now, I'm talking about, like, regular tzadikim, the havedo, if there's such a thing as a regular tzadik.

Speaker A:

I'm saying the regular level of tzadikim.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So all the sfarm and all of these tzadikim, they have eight sudik.

Speaker A:

If you search for the 80s in the Talmud, you're going to find something that's going to help you to fix certain problems in your life.

Speaker A:

Yeah, you're going to find it.

Speaker A:

You search.

Speaker A:

You're trying to find mishpati Emmas in the swarm.

Speaker A:

But all of these.

Speaker A:

That's what I'm explaining right now.

Speaker A:

So those are all specific, specific ideas.

Speaker A:

Each one of these specific things.

Speaker A:

Yeah, there's one.

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There's one church.

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There's one.

Speaker A:

That from that all these things come out from all these things that shows.

Speaker A:

It's like, you know, the Evan Jasiah is what the Rebbe explains.

Speaker A:

Example explains over here, where the Torah says that Eben Shassir Hashem created first, and from there he.

Speaker A:

He.

Speaker A:

He spread out and created the whole world like that.

Speaker A:

So there's a das of the tzadik, the seikh of the tzadik is a very, very high level.

Speaker A:

All these come from that dask.

Speaker A:

All come from that place.

Speaker A:

So, okay, so that's.

Speaker A:

That's, that's.

Speaker A:

That's up for.

Speaker A:

That's, that's.

Speaker C:

That's.

Speaker A:

That's our discussion.

Speaker A:

If you.

Speaker A:

If a person who follows the person.

Speaker A:

So then, yeah, Rabbi Nachman had that.

Speaker A:

But it's not just rabnachim.

Speaker A:

It's about also Rizal.

Speaker A:

It's also, you know, the tzedikimu flogim.

Speaker A:

You know, the great, great, awesome siddiqim.

Speaker A:

It could be.

Speaker A:

But I think.

Speaker A:

I think that in Brussels, I think that we would hold that the Rebbe reached the higher madrego.

Speaker A:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A:

That's the story of the thirteen butlers.

Speaker A:

The story of the thirteen beggars.

Speaker A:

He's talking about, you know, the.

Speaker A:

Sorry, the seven beggars.

Speaker A:

The seven butlers.

Speaker A:

Yeah, the seven butlers is talking about how there's many great levels of Tzadikimach says explicitly that he's talking about Ramaylech over there.

Speaker A:

But then there's the butler who's like the, you know, the.

Speaker A:

The blind.

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The butler who reached the highest and best of all the other.

Speaker A:

All the other tziddiq, Debra Kawa.

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From that.

Speaker A:

It's.

Speaker A:

It's a.

Speaker C:

I see everybody sees it push.

Speaker C:

That causes a big arrogance.

Speaker A:

No, so that's.

Speaker A:

So that's.

Speaker A:

That's a mistake.

Speaker A:

No, because, look, look, the main mistake is that, is that you're not learning the story properly.

Speaker A:

You need.

Speaker A:

You need people.

Speaker A:

People think so.

Speaker A:

All you need is rabnach.

Speaker A:

You don't need anything else.

Speaker A:

It's not true.

Speaker A:

It's not true.

Speaker A:

You need all the sikhlin.

Speaker A:

Protein.

Speaker A:

Protein.

Speaker A:

But yes, there is a hierarchy, but it's not.

Speaker A:

First of all, that should never bring a person to Guyba for care.

Speaker C:

Like, we are the greatest.

Speaker A:

No, but if you're really mukosha to that tzadik, then you're totally battle.

Speaker A:

You see?

Speaker A:

Like Ramnasan.

Speaker A:

Ramnasan always says like this.

Speaker A:

He says he would say every single Yiddish.

Speaker A:

A higher madrigger than me.

Speaker A:

Even the worst person who's trying to kill me, he's a higher madriga than me.

Speaker A:

Vada.

Speaker A:

I just.

Speaker A:

Hashem gave me this chus that I found this great tzaddik.

Speaker A:

And I'm connected to him and nothing to do with me Bechlau.

Speaker A:

There's no gabba.

Speaker A:

There's no competition.

Speaker A:

It's like the whole thing is.

Speaker A:

It's a very inner.

Speaker A:

It's an inner avida.

Speaker A:

You share it with your friends, you know, but it's not something you're going around and, you know, pushing other people's faces.

Speaker A:

It's like.

Speaker A:

I'm saying it's because that's not.

Speaker A:

That's the bichlal, not the.

Speaker A:

The saga of the.

Speaker C:

That morning, this guy comes up to Shiva, explaining to him that you have to go to the tzadik, and he's the only tzadik.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker C:

And I'm like.

Speaker C:

And I told him.

Speaker C:

Like, I told him.

Speaker C:

Like, I was trying to get him to stop.

Speaker C:

Like, Jesus, crazy.

Speaker C:

But, like, I'm like this.

Speaker A:

And.

Speaker C:

And like, I was joking with him.

Speaker C:

This is like a thing like the rest of us can do.

Speaker C:

And he's like.

Speaker C:

And he's laughing, like, about.

Speaker C:

Rest of.

Speaker C:

And there, like a certain age.

Speaker B:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A:

We get the most.

Speaker A:

Not.

Speaker A:

It's not the reb.

Speaker A:

It's not the.

Speaker A:

Okay, so that's.

Speaker A:

So.

Speaker A:

So what are we talking about here?

Speaker A:

So the reason why we bring this down is because this, as we're talking.

Speaker A:

We're talking about over here, the DAV is bringing down chochma into asir.

Speaker A:

So this is an aspect of drawing from the chochma.

Speaker A:

This is, again, what really says in Torah in sivab.

Speaker A:

Drawing from the chochma of the great sadiqing and bringing it down into our mysim, into our actions in this world, that we should have malchus hashem, we should serve hashem, we should do Torah and learn Torah, do mitzvahs to the best of our best we can.

Speaker A:

Okay, so now what happens is that we can understand that we need to be macabre this chochmah from the great, great tzaddikim.

Speaker A:

We need to get the tzadik, who's nismach, as the smicha from the tzadikim, previous generations, in order to be able to bring down the Torah into.

Speaker A:

Into our lives, into our mal.

Speaker A:

Malchus of hashem.

Speaker A:

If we don't do that.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So is telling us that he got from.

Speaker A:

I mean, he grew.

Speaker A:

He grew up.

Speaker B:

You got to turn this off as possible.

Speaker A:

Grew up in the home of the BAAL Shem Tov.

Speaker A:

He was macabre directly.

Speaker A:

No, if you read, he was macabre.

Speaker A:

He had conversations with his Zaidi, the Balshamtov.

Speaker A:

He would go to his caver, Smicha from the Moshe, brother, brother.

Speaker A:

So again, again, again.

Speaker A:

The Indian of smich over here is not.

Speaker A:

It's not.

Speaker A:

It's not like it's not the end of smicha, where like, like in, in, in, in, in.

Speaker A:

In the mamish getting the imin of being macabre.

Speaker A:

The das.

Speaker A:

I'm just telling you.

Speaker A:

I'm telling you.

Speaker A:

You see, from this to.

Speaker A:

He's not talking about.

Speaker A:

He's not talking about that you have directly.

Speaker A:

It means that you were ma of that sadiq.

Speaker A:

Yeah, for sure.

Speaker A:

He's the hamster.

Speaker A:

No, okay, okay.

Speaker A:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker A:

No, yeah, no, he's good, he's good.

Speaker A:

It's good, it's good, it's good.

Speaker A:

Okay.

Speaker A:

So you guys, the point over here, the point over here, that's the point.

Speaker A:

That's how we getting off that question going 14 years.

Speaker A:

I'm not just asking questions.

Speaker C:

It would be clear if I don't.

Speaker A:

Believe it or not as a breast still wouldn't be clear.

Speaker A:

At the end of the day, you're not going to be getting your healing.

Speaker C:

That you need because at the end.

Speaker A:

Of day you're not says if you.

Speaker C:

Go against them, you're not going to look close.

Speaker A:

Great.

Speaker C:

No, no, I know you were joking.

Speaker A:

So what happens when we don't.

Speaker A:

When we don't connect to the.

Speaker A:

To the.

Speaker A:

And we're masked with somebody else.

Speaker A:

We're somebody else.

Speaker A:

So then is.

Speaker A:

We get.

Speaker A:

We get.

Speaker A:

We get very confused because the person that we're going to.

Speaker A:

That we're masm, he himself doesn't have clarity.

Speaker A:

And so you can't guide us in verse hashem.

Speaker A:

So then we fall into the Ksav Yadam of the goyim.

Speaker A:

Of the goyim.

Speaker A:

That's the rebbe says that we just read before we follow the writing of the goyim.

Speaker A:

Again, it means parshat, the sab yanim, which comes from the chochma.

Speaker A:

That's whatever says that the chochma, the saba, the goyim comes from their chochma.

Speaker A:

Means you want to get a job, you got to go to university, you got to learn all these science things.

Speaker A:

Right?

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

It's takagalis.

Speaker A:

It's like spiz goes over here that you have.

Speaker A:

You can't get your kias and rukhvis and gashmis from the terror.

Speaker A:

The Torah goes the.

Speaker A:

The sab.

Speaker A:

The terror falls.

Speaker A:

So then all the shafa goes to the guru and a person has to.

Speaker A:

It's.

Speaker A:

It's the Goddess, Goddess that we have to go.

Speaker A:

And, and, and they still learn English.

Speaker B:

And then also business learning knowledge.

Speaker A:

Yeah, you have to learn.

Speaker A:

You have to learn different things.

Speaker A:

So, so now if you're makasha.

Speaker A:

These things we'll learn.

Speaker A:

We'll talk about this.

Speaker A:

If you.

Speaker A:

Things to the Kedush, I mean, you realize, you don't give to this, to this, to this.

Speaker A:

You don't.

Speaker A:

You're not.

Speaker A:

You're not Masmik.

Speaker A:

The situation, you don't say, okay, this is.

Speaker A:

This is.

Speaker A:

This is.

Speaker A:

This is.

Speaker A:

This is good.

Speaker A:

Like, Hashem, I get all my degrees, and I can make, you know, like, $500,000 and have a nice life, you know?

Speaker A:

No, no, no.

Speaker A:

Like, if you're not mastering that situation again, the Torah is a dekhmah mutzah.

Speaker A:

It doesn't say to ignore the reality of life.

Speaker A:

Reality of life is we're in Gallus.

Speaker A:

You know, it might be that you need to go to college and learn and get a degree, but recognize that that is golos.

Speaker A:

Ayid doesn't belong in college.

Speaker A:

He doesn't belong learning any other languages.

Speaker A:

We don't belong speaking English, okay?

Speaker A:

That's a word we should be speaking, by the way.

Speaker A:

I'm saying that's the reality of our situation.

Speaker A:

So we're using the reality situation to get close to Hashem.

Speaker A:

That's the biggest.

Speaker A:

That's the biggest thing.

Speaker A:

That's the biggest thing.

Speaker A:

That's right.

Speaker A:

Because you can.

Speaker A:

Because you can be.

Speaker A:

You can be makara said situation.

Speaker A:

But you have to understand and for care by using, by using, by.

Speaker A:

By.

Speaker A:

By being involved in these things but recognizing the truth.

Speaker A:

So if you can't, you're taking all the power away from it by being involved in these things, but recognizing that really, like, you know, that, like I'm saying, go down there.

Speaker B:

You're not going.

Speaker A:

Like, last time we spoke about psychology, we spoke bad about psychology.

Speaker A:

I want.

Speaker A:

I want to fix up a little bit that like.

Speaker A:

And I know, I know.

Speaker A:

I have friends that do this that you can.

Speaker A:

A person who studies psychology, he has an opportunity to make a huge kiddush hashem and to make mikara of tons of people to rebar.

Speaker A:

If he realizes, just wait.

Speaker A:

If he realizes and remembers that everything that he's learning over here is.

Speaker A:

It's a monkey in front of a person.

Speaker A:

And the Amos is in the Torah.

Speaker A:

And if he's makasha, whatever he's learning in psychology, to the Torah.

Speaker A:

And miffrat, the chassid is miffrat, the breast of.

Speaker A:

Because the breast of Nachman has all the 80s and all the psychology, and everything you possibly could find in those books is in the Rabban Sefer.

Speaker A:

You just have to look for it.

Speaker A:

It's not given to you like a 12 step plan.

Speaker A:

Like you know, like it's, it's, you have to do, you have to learn, you have to put in the.

Speaker A:

But it's a person who does that.

Speaker A:

So adanaba.

Speaker A:

So that's a big, that's a big tikkun and you can bring a lot of people in who are stuck in the kisav and the chochma, the God.

Speaker A:

You can bring them out of that.

Speaker A:

Say what you're looking, looking for is look at the.

Speaker A:

And I'm going to show you how and I'm going to bring you close to that truth.

Speaker B:

Right?

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So then Adarabbas, you're taking all the power away from the goyimb and giving it to the chochma satiram.

Speaker A:

But it's, but it's, but it's not easy.

Speaker A:

You understand how a person falls into this because he doesn't have atheists.

Speaker A:

And so he's trying to find advice, trying to find guidance and clarity in all these other places, right?

Speaker A:

Which is a malchus akumah is trying to tell if you do like this and this and this then your life is going to be, it's all going to work out, you're going to get out of your situation.

Speaker A:

And really it doesn't, it doesn't, most of the time it doesn't help unless you makasha it somehow you connect it to, to the Emmaus of the Torah.

Speaker A:

And, and, but, but we shouldn't even go there because as much as you possibly can, you should even go there.

Speaker A:

You should, you should, you should, you have a problem in your life.

Speaker A:

Realize the reason I have this problem and the reason I'm so confused, I have this dealing, I have this conf and I, and I don't have atheists.

Speaker A:

Which rabnachma says that the Ikuddinim is a person who's in saffik.

Speaker A:

He has doubts.

Speaker A:

That's Ikuddin.

Speaker A:

So is because I'm not learning Rabnachim's form every single day of my life.

Speaker A:

That's it.

Speaker A:

That's the main problem.

Speaker A:

That's the main problem I have is I don't have a kiviyez in learning halocha.

Speaker A:

I don't have kivias in learning sefer rabbeinu every single day, even a little bit.

Speaker A:

Each person according to their level, how much time they have, how much koyechasa seicha they have.

Speaker A:

But that's the main, that's the main problem.

Speaker A:

That's this.

Speaker A:

And if I just learn this from.

Speaker A:

And I search for the Emirates over there.

Speaker A:

So then I'm not going to be Masvid for all these other Rabbanim.

Speaker A:

I'm going to find.

Speaker A:

I'm going to find a true connection to Tzedikim that's going to get me out of all this darkness and all this confusion and give me a clear path to serve Hashem in every aspect of life.

Speaker A:

So that's in a nutshell that I was speaking of here.

Speaker A:

And we'll have to talk more about next time, about how this relates to going to Gullus Mamish.

Speaker A:

A person goes to, goes to go to go, you know, learn in some university in Nebraska, whatever, you know, these different places.

Speaker A:

But the Ikar Kavanah, first of all, the Parasha Kevan over here is the Rebbe's talking about the Maskilim, right?

Speaker A:

When people not learning Torah Shema is the biggest problem in the world.

Speaker A:

Okay, it's not so Shema.

Speaker A:

Okay, so it's not that bad.

Speaker A:

Okay, so we better be learning Shema.

Speaker A:

Of course.

Speaker A:

But no, you're not.

Speaker A:

Turn the right now again, what does it mean?

Speaker A:

Means that a person, the B, says, this person wants to learn Nishma.

Speaker A:

And he starts out right.

Speaker A:

The classic example is like, person's like, you know, it doesn't feel like learning.

Speaker A:

So he says, okay, I'm going to promise myself a chocolate bar if I learn.

Speaker A:

Okay, I'm going to promise myself, like, you know, no, I'm going to promise a cigarette after I learn this stuff.

Speaker A:

So, you know, yeah, make a sim or something.

Speaker A:

Okay, so it's Shalodishma.

Speaker A:

But then, but you realize even at the time you're doing that what I really.

Speaker A:

My goal is, I really want to get to Torah Lishma.

Speaker A:

I realize the only way I'm going to pick myself off the couch right now and do it is by studying shadowishma.

Speaker A:

But with Torah Shalishmah, Bodhi Shema, my intention is to get to Telugu.

Speaker A:

Okay, so then you're on the dach, and you're going to get there Siatter Shema.

Speaker A:

You keep working on it, you know, and even the Shilalishma is bedsemerishma.

Speaker A:

That's aside.

Speaker A:

But a person stop learning.

Speaker A:

There's nothing worse than that.

Speaker A:

Whoa, that's very intense.

Speaker A:

There's nothing worse than that.

Speaker A:

Why?

Speaker A:

Because, in other words, what happens is that he's not giving the eights.

Speaker A:

This is causing this whole problem of my sorrows and confusion and not getting his direction in life.

Speaker A:

And then this, this is this.

Speaker A:

This was result of.

Speaker A:

This was the enlightenment.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

And then people, people, people, people, they.

Speaker A:

They lose a connection to Yiddish guide because they're not.

Speaker A:

It's not.

Speaker A:

They're not finding Hashem in their lives.

Speaker A:

And then they fall into the.

Speaker A:

And then they.

Speaker A:

And then what happens?

Speaker A:

What was the result of enlightenment?

Speaker A:

The Gerosh and the Yiddim were kicked out of all their places and all the.

Speaker A:

They got all this suffering.

Speaker A:

They had Ashkenazi Jews Holocaust.

Speaker A:

All the suffering that Yiddin had because of, of.

Speaker A:

Because of the Haskalah.

Speaker A:

Because why, because why don't SM this problem.

Speaker A:

Exactly.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker C:

The more trying to get close to Hashem.

Speaker C:

They have like this mimus trying to.

Speaker A:

Get close to Hashem all the way.

Speaker A:

Right.

Speaker A:

They didn't have to go through all this trouble.

Speaker A:

They didn't have to go through all this trouble because they held onto the big Muslim for us.

Speaker A:

I'm telling you guys because that is learning the Shema.

Speaker A:

I'm talking about the whole key of learning the Shema.

Speaker A:

Learning Shema means.

Speaker A:

That's what it means.

Speaker A:

It means.

Speaker A:

It means I believe that this sad.

Speaker A:

That's what telling us over here means.

Speaker A:

I believe this Tzadik can help me.

Speaker A:

That's what means.

Speaker A:

I believe that his Torah is going to change my life.

Speaker A:

Otherwise it's.

Speaker A:

It's Mosaris.

Speaker A:

And then I.

Speaker A:

Then there's this whole.

Speaker A:

So that was.

Speaker A:

And then.

Speaker A:

Then in Rukh also happens a person, you know, find himself in such a crazy region of places.

Speaker A:

No person's ever been there before.

Speaker A:

Like you're not like, you know, there's no way that there's such a tumatical place.

Speaker A:

It's unbelievable what happens when we lose this connection to Tzedikim.

Speaker A:

So we have to talk a little bit more about this.

Speaker A:

In need of the osius and brias oilam.

Speaker A:

But in a nutshell, that's what we're talking about over here is the casuals of the tzadikim that were nismach from previous diaries.

Speaker A:

They have this real connection to any study that's not connected to the Zorakadosh of Hashem Tov.

Speaker A:

Even nowadays the.

Speaker A:

The literature abundant they're all learning from Tov.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

I mean the ones who really looking for the amazement.

Speaker A:

No, we have to.

Speaker A:

We have to.

Speaker A:

We have to receive this.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

He said yeah, big trouble.

Speaker A:

Yeah.

Speaker A:

So.

Speaker C:

They learned a lot of.

Speaker B:

We have a good couple Ash.

Speaker B:

No, no, it's complicated sometimes it has to be.

Speaker A:

It's important.

Speaker A:

It's important to have the.

Speaker A:

Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying that the in what you're saying in the context of the story is that the is you have to have person doesn't have any.

Speaker A:

So he can't he can't again means he has a clear a.

Speaker A:

He can figure out how to how to be close to hashem in life.

Speaker A:

That's real chachma.

Speaker A:

That's okay.

Speaker A:

But you can only makaba that seichel if you have a munasadiqim.

Speaker A:

So then you can macabre from that seichel.

Speaker A:

From the seichel.

Speaker A:

And then you can you can you can use your seichel.

Speaker A:

Otherwise your seichel can your can turn into chachma sagoim.

Speaker A:

That's what we're saying.

Speaker A:

Very smart.

Speaker A:

Very smart.

Speaker A:

I'm saying very, very smart goyim.

Speaker A:

But the chachma is that destroys a person's life and brings him takes him away from the from the clear path of Mishpati Am is the atiya is the true, you know, advice of the speaking.

Speaker A:

So yeah, yeah.

Speaker A:

Then mishra, the kahal is mishlei Shlome.

Speaker A:

By the way, you mentioned Shlome Melech, because one of that we brought this puzzle.

Speaker A:

The Rebbe brought this puzzle before from Shalom Bekeboy.

Speaker A:

They saw that the king whose shlomo, he had incredible chochmer and he was able to bring it down into Mishpat.

Speaker A:

He's able to bring it down the maidson.

Speaker A:

So we see that the shlomech is the example of this for us.

Speaker A:

How does the Shaykh Ata for us?

Speaker A:

We're not in the level of shlomo melech.

Speaker A:

No, the Rebbe's telling you we have a muna tzadikim that they have this level of chochma and they know how to bring it down into mishpatit.

Speaker A:

So then you also it's going to help you also it's going to get you out of your situation.

Speaker A:

Shamsha, bless us that we should be z to.

Speaker A:

No, we have.

Speaker A:

We have to we have to be who we are.

Speaker A:

That's the main point of this Torah.

Speaker A:

Be who you are and connect who you are through the Great Sadiq.

Speaker A:

That's that's the main point.

Speaker A:

We should connect ourselves to the great Sabik and bring it down into the k. It should be.

Speaker A:

It should be.

Speaker A:

And hashem in our lives by finding the atis that get us out of all of our suffering.

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Breslov from birth named nachman after the holy tzadik Reb nachman from Breslov
born in Brooklyn temporarily still living in Brooklyn first born son to Reb Shlomo Zalman Dovid fried a real breslover chasid